Why Quaker 2.0?


It was about 5 months ago when I stumbled onto Quaker 2.0, the first thing that drew me to it was the wonderful layout of the page: I love a good looking website. But as I dug into what was written here, I began to really appreciate Chris’s ideas about Quakerism in the new world. In his very first post he said,

“You might have put together, at this point, why I ended up with a sort of dissonance when it came to my understanding of Jesus and the Church. I had grown up in a place where people could actively claim historic acts of social justice and Christian service as their own while doing pretty much nothing in their own lifetime outside of attending a church that had great childcare. Quakerism by proxy had been born!

But see, the world is a broken place. It’s so utterly broken that I’ve become something of a worrier. (See - we’re back to the beginning of this post.) The church that I thought could do something to assuage my worry isn’t much of a help, what with it’s focus on childcare instead of bringing Jesus’ message to people in tangible ways. The group of people that should be setting the world on fire is getting really good at not doing much at all, so they’re not much help either. So what do we do?

Maybe it’s time for something else. Maybe it’s time to rediscover an identity lost years ago. Maybe we need a Quaker 2.0.”

If I interpret Chris’s motivations properly, its not to completely start over with Quakerism but it is to drastically change parts of it that are of little or no use in the postmodern world (thus a 2.0).

1. New Yearnings In a New Age

When I came to Quakerism, it was as an Evangelical Christian attending an Evangelical Friends undergraduate. I was one of a few who, at least when I was there, saw the richness of the Quaker story and longed for those missing parts of Quakerism in the Evangelical Church. The reason I initially had interest was because of a couple of professors who took Quaker ideas about non-violence, and the equality of men and women in ministry seriously. These two issues were important for me, not because I accepted them right away but because they spoke “to my condition.” When I read Walter Williams’s “The Rich Heritage of Quakerism” I found myself saying, these are things I have always believed but didn’t know I believed them.

I ended up finding a youth ministry position at a Friends Church in Northeastern Ohio while my wife, Emily, and I were both still in college. It was there that we spent more time learning and absorbing the Quaker narrative, learning how to embody this version of Christianity. The problem then was, not so much that people on the Evangelical side of the tradition were adverse to us taking seriously notions like pacifism, simplicity, women in ministry, and sacramental living, but we realized our views were marginal in the larger body. We certainly are not the only ones within the Evangelical Friends Church to believe this stuff, but as a whole the tradition has moved away from discipling its people into the kinds of practices that cultivate Christians that look like our earlier counterparts (see my posts on Evangelicalism for more on this subject).

As I began to look into this further (mainly at Fuller), I found that not only is the Evangelical church struggling to find an identity that meets up to our history, but so are all Friends. My interest from that point on has been, why has so much of the church moved away from the kind of Christianity espoused by Fox and those who came after him? What do we do about this (something I will be doing my dissertation on), and what will it look like in our day and age?

2. Beyond Old Categories

I recently commented on a blog post that seemed to me to be a bit too “anachronistic” in the way it interpreted our earlier history. I have too been guilty of this, as its easy to do, but we need try and avoid these kinds of interpretations on both sides. We need to begin to push beyond the old categories of liberalism, conservativism, moderatism, Evangelicalism and universalism (and all the more quirky designations we’ve come up with along the way) as they do not help us get beyond our old struggles. Arguing over who is and who isn’t a Quaker, whether Fox was an Evangelical, Liberal, Universalist, or even Buddhist is getting our tradition nowhere. These were not questions Fox dealt with, because they were not questions the world dealt with for at least another one hundred years. We need people who are willing to exegete Fox’s theology and culture in a way that can provide us with translatable ideas and practices for the postmodern world, in the same breath we need those people to help us exegete our own culture and tell us what parts of the old is no longer of use.

3. Tradition In Crisis

Our tradition is in crisis! When a large part of the church doesn’t identify with silence, peace and simplicity that is touble, and when an equally large part of this movement no longer identifies itself as Christian or having anything to do with Christ its also trouble. This is all ‘trouble’ if we are trying to maintain a sustainable history that looks similar at point B as it did at point A. The talk on this website, and others is what are the essentials of Quakerism? What needs to be kept and what needs to go. I think there are some things that we need to keep, and I think there are some things we need to get rid of.

This of course is where many will break from my own viewpoints: in moving forward we will retain the most important parts of our church movement while letting go of those parts that hinder and keep us from making a difference for the kingdom of God (this seems to me to be the main point of any Church movement). Its not an all or nothing for me, in fact I think there is a lot about our history that cannot be salvaged, simply because the world is so different now. Before I am cast from the Quaker blogosphere, I think there is a lot that can be salvaged, and I think what can be saved is the most important of all the things the Friends have done and cared about.

Alasdair MacIntrye says that when there are competing traditions, the tradition that is able to overcome the crisis is the better tradition. The problem I see is that each branch within Quakerism holds important ‘tools’ for the whole movement and it doesn’t seem like any one of the three main groups are doing a real good job of working with the others (especially the Evangelicals). I think that this is in fact why talks about “convergent Quakerism,” the connection between emerging church and Quakerism and Quaker 2.0 get me most excited. People thinking creatively about where to go is what we need now, people drawing lines and creating more boundaries about who is in and out will no longer do any good.

4. Fox and the Future

Are Quakers ready to re-image their future? Are we ready to be prophetic Christian radicals again, the way Fox, Fell and Barclay (and so many more) were? Fox believed that the Holy Spirit was to lead the church, not any one person, committee or denomination. This means the church will never be a static place, its always on the move. We need a people of faith willing to listen beyond the categories, and hear the Spirit of Jesus speak; denominations are okay when they seek to embody this. We need a group of people who are willing to throw everything away, and start all over again if the Spirit so leads. We also need this people to be absolutely committed to the “Rich Heritage” we have been granted. Fox was a radical thinker when it came to Christianity, he thought outside the traditional categories and was willing to start afresh with how to follow Christ and share the good news in his world. Will we be able to follow in his footsteps and do this, or can we expect Fox to show up to our steeple-houses saying that the light has died in our communities as well? Fox’s message is still useful today, not because he himself had something special or unique to say, but because he translated the timeless Gospel into a way that struck at the heart of people longing for a real experience with God. We are standing at a crossroads, will we again translate the Gospel anew and live it out in God’s great drama or will we draw our boundaries, say our thees and thous and die a staid people?

“Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you with me (Rev. 3:20).”

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Amen Brother! Preach it. I am getting way excited because the Spirit seems to be moving in the direction you describe on many fronts.

I have suggested to Friend Martin Kelly that we might gather a convergent Friends conference some time.

We have lots of meeting space here in Greensboro (Guilford College plus quite a few Meeting Houses around). Let’s DO IT!

Dear friend:
Excuse a small joke about thy worry about being cast from the Quaker Blogisphere… been there, done that ;) .
Thee writes… about there being large portions of the Society of Friends which “no longer identifies itself as Christian or having anything to do with Christ” and that is “also trouble”

I am not sure of the harm there, ( I suppose having grownup Hicksite). I was in hopes that we can get past that after ( how many years since 1826ish?). In the Hicksite tradition there should be no problem with Friends who identify with whatever “Christian” means to them.

I see myself as part of a Christian movement which began a few decades before a rabbi named Yeshua was killed by Roman occupiers of his nation. I think we have to all acknowledge that the Quaker faith is part of that movement, but that what it means to be Christian has been a matter of some difference of definition even within the Quaker Orthodoxy.

Well, here is the query. If, as modern scholarship progresses, we find that our understanding of the history of Judea at the time of Yeshua does not conform to the histories of Bible, which is more important to us as Friends, honesty or following the observations of Fox? Might this be making a pope, guru or other spiritual master of Fox, in a manner he taught was not in the way of Friends?

The point is not that we are or are not Christian, but is what is the base definition of our faith. I believe it is seeing God in all, and being completely present to God in others, ( love God with all your being and do nothing that is hateful to another… the rest is commentary… )

Wonderful to find thy blog, I’m adding it my links, Friend.
Thine in the light
lor

Hey Wess, let’s get going! How long is this dissertation of yours going to take? Maybe in the meantime, we can plan a small convergent folks gathering (like dinner) in the L.A. area in August?

Lorcan - before you were a Quaker, what was your religious background?

@Lorcan, thanks for stopping by and commenting. I understand your point of view, and I appreciate the Hicksite tradition as an important strand of Quakerism. I am less concerned with being a follower of Fox than I am being a follower of Christ, but as we think through what it means to be a Friend in the 21st Century Fox will get pulled into the conversation. I realize that at some level my conversation will have a different starting point from you - I start with wanting to understand Jesus as Savior in the world and understand in what ways he has called the church to redeem this broken world.

It seems to me that Fox’s revelations and guidings in this area are still useful, and Fox not only trusted the Bible and the testimony of Jesus but he sought to embody that story in every way possible. He did it in ways that subverted “Christendom” and created a movement that literally changed the world. The things that subverted and changed the world were the explicitly Jesus-as-Messiah centered theology - this was the content that made it work. In our conversation about Quakerism-anew we have to think about these things that worked well. I am going out on a limb and saying a lot of the things we are doing today aren’t working all that well, I think those gaps on both sides of the Friends church are related to our co-opting the earlier teachings of Fox for Modern ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ religiousity.

Hypothezing about whether the Bible will ever be proven false seems to get us nowhere. Not only is it not likely that people will discover some new evidence that debunks the Scriptures this late in history but its even more unlikely that it would ever really matter. Liberal Scholarship has already tried this, its called higher criticism, and well…it failed. Not only this but its seems that God has led us to experience the very things Scriptures testify to (this experience proving Scriptures has worked for liberal Christians especially).

Further, wondering what might happen some time in the future keeps us from following not only what seems right, but what has been understood as following the Spirit of God throughout 2,500-3,000 years of Scriptural history. Those stories have worked to heal, redeem and reconcile people to God throughout history.

Quakers are a people who follow after God, and our story was birthed out of being followers of Jesus. Its our attempt to help us understand that in order that we may trully be Quakers again.

@Robin - haha Robin I laughed when I first read your comment thanks for your get-up-and-go that is a great quality to have espeically among a bunch of Quakers! Actually I think August would be amazing to have an LA Convergent Friends gathering. We’ll host. So I guess consider your comment and mine the official announcement, now we need some dates.

I wonder if we might be able to convince Kent at the APU Friends Center to let us use the conference room to get together in August. That also might bring some of the EFCSW folk out that are in the area.

“Liberal Scholarship has already tried this, its called higher criticism, and well…it failed. ”

What did you mean by “it failed”? To me, it doesn’t matter if the Bible is factually true in every detail or not. The experience of Christ, crucified, buried and risen can be known by God’s Spirit testifing of that Truth to each individual.

The Bible is the finger pointing to the moon, not the moon itself. There is nothing perfect, save Jesus, not even a book.

In the convergent Friends model, what would be the position on Scripture? Barclay’s Apology gives wonderful guidance as to what place the Bible has in our lives and in our Gathered Communities.

Peace ya’ll,
Craig

Craig, thanks for picking up on that line, it was the one I wish I had re-written! :) I certainly overstated the case, when I say Higher Criticism has failed because there are many things its helped us with (and I have good friends who are respectable “higher critics”). What I mean that its failed in at least one of its original goals, to clarify through modern scientific means the parts of Scripture that are “true” and debunk those parts that are “myth.” Modernity doesn’t like myth, because in the modern mindset what matters most is scientific inquiry (and a certain rigid kind of scientific inquiry), things that can be proven in a petry dish are the only things that can be trusted. Higher Criticism was set up to do “science” on the BIble, I don’t mean whether the bible tells us things about science or not, I just mean treating the document itself as a specimen.

I for one, along with the likes of C.S. Lewis, NT Wright and Brian McLaren, am not worried about myth. In fact I think we need myth, and live by the stories that shape us. So in trying to do away with myth and the narratives of the Bible what happened? Well for one, a long and excruciating debate over whether the Bible is inerrant and absolutely trustworthy down to the last period.

I am glad you mentioned Barclay, because he offers a way forward through the modern question of Authority of Scripture. Part of our problem as Quakers, so impacted by modernity, is that our founding fathers and mothers never cared about the question of inerrancy or infallibility - they believed that the BIble had authority because they saw that the Spirit confirmed it and gave it life. Thus, on one hand they don’t help us with the question, because they never addressed it. But they do help us in another way, by claiming that it was authoritative so long as the Holy Spirit of God is authoritative (in fact this is the thing that would protect Quakerism from the higher criticism that Lorcan is worried about). This is Barclay’s point, the Scriptures are the not the source of the waterfall, they are the water flowing from the source (we need water to survive!), the Spirit is that source. (Thus the Scriptures don’t say something different from what created it, and if for some reason it does, we follow the Spirit’s guide; though Barclay and the early Quakers never thought it could.) Why this is a better way to view authority is because it fits better with the way the church really works; the Spirit works in the community of Christians, in the tradition over time, through the Scriptures and in us individually. All of these things, community, Spirit, Tradition and Scripture thus become the functioning authority in a believer’s life. The Spirit has/is creating and redeeming them all.

I think that convergent friends, though I can’t speak for the whole as there is no written down theology on this yet, will want to avoid “foundationalism” and instead accept this kind of “holistic” form of authority; this is because one goal for convergent friends is to learn how to be faithful in the post-modern world. Modernity is what birthed foundationalism, an idea that says there is one unquestionable authority; For modern scientists its the scientific method, for conservative religious groups its inerrancy of the Bible, for liberals its the “divine experience.” I think these have created more dualisms in our world that have harmed the church and life of faith as not only exemplified by our lovely Friends but more importantly by Jesus himself.

It is the up to new groups of people to move beyond the liberal/fundamentalist divide that higher criticism is a part. I think that Barclay, and many narrative scholars today will help in this area.

Wess, I can tell you that I will be at the University of Redlands from July 31 - August 5 for Pacific Yearly Meeting sessions. So, frankly, I’m hoping we could set a date either of the weekends bookending that week. This might make it possible to gather a few more Friends from the unprogrammed tradition as well, to build that convergent dialogue in person, even if we don’t get around to defining an official position on scripture during dinner. I’m all excited just thinking about it.

In my opinion, if you’re willing to host, that doesn’t mean you have to necessarily have it at your house, or buy all the food, but you do have to arrange a child-friendly space and make the call to order the pizza (or chinese food, or whatever).

Thanks,
Robin M.
What Canst Thou Say?

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Hmmm…

is there a contradiction between

“Arguing over who is and who isn’t a Quaker, whether Fox was an Evangelical, Liberal, Universalist, or even Buddhist is getting our tradition nowhere.”

and

“When a large part of the church doesn’t identify with silence, peace and simplicity that is touble, and when an equally large part of this movement no longer identifies itself as Christian or having anything to do with Christ its also trouble. This is all ‘trouble’ if we are trying to maintain a sustainable history that looks similar at point B as it did at point A. The talk on this website, and others is what are the essentials of Quakerism? What needs to be kept and what needs to go. I think there are some things that we need to keep, and I think there are some things we need to get rid of.”

it seems to me that talking about what are the essentials of Quakerism (what should stay and what should go) is the same thing as whether “Fox” (as a symbol for Quakerism’s “first motion”) was an evangelical, a liberal, a universalist or even a Buddhist.

I am sure you mean there to be a distinction and that others who have read this see what it is. Please help me see it.

Thanks

Timothy

Tim - I think it’s fair to say that arguing over anything doesn’t get anyone anywhere. However, it’s also hard to get anywhere when you lose your saltiness - those things that give your life and faith definition and character and which do good in the world. When I look at the various Quaker groups throughout the US (I don’t have a ton of experience with Quakers outside my country. Baptists, yes. Quakers, no.), I’m convinced that we’ve all lost our salt to some degree and have allowed either homogenity or marginalization to destroy our ability to impact the world around us.

As a side note - having read John 15, I know it’s Christ who called us Friends first (John 15) and Fox just recognized it. I firmly believe that those Quakers who would exclude Christ are also excluding themselves from his Friendship.

Of course, Jesus was all over the place when it came to the friends he chose. I think that’s why I like him.

[…] It deals with issues surrounding Quakerism today and speaks of the growing conversation by people who are calling themselves “Convergent Friends.” It’s related to an article I did for Quaker 2.0 a while back called “Why Quaker 2.0?” […]

Oh my… I let this slip by, and also have to make sure I put thee in my links!
Christopher, I grew up Quaker, just at the time of the joining of the meetings after the schism. I remember our Hicksite meeting being joined by members from the Orthodox meeting, which was sold to extend our school.
As to bebunking the bible… in fact, it has been done to my satisfaction in many many points. In spirit is another matter. I have a concern that when we place the inspired text which is at the root of our spiritual tradition is not about truth, but is about the presistance of tribalism. Tribalism, weither because it is a part of our wiring due to genes or social conditioning seems a rather hard thing for us to step away from as Yeshua told us we should… many found in this, “Become Christian and thee has no tribe… - as long as that tribe thee DOES has is Christian… ” as a friend of mine in Dublin Ireland said, he came from Ireland and was welcomed by folks saying, “you’re welcome here, we all are children of one God… by the way, it is our God not yours…”
Oh much more to say on this, but I am distracted by a large fire in midtown… I will be back ( not quoting a certain Governor… )
Thine dearly in the light
lor