Why Are We Converging?


I have had many conversations with people about their experiences with church or civic religion or atheism and I keep hearing people say similar things. Basically, people are looking for something more. And it’s not just young people - it’s older folks and parents. I hear the sentiment from grandmothers in walkers to kids in high school. The forms we have for religion (or lack thereof) just don’t satisfy.

What I found most intriguing about Robin’s term, Convergent Friends, is this idea that at the fringes – at the edges – we find ourselves at a place that we instinctively recognize as not quite right. It’s not just that we find ourselves uncomfortable – we find ourselves in circumstances that just seem wrong. So we converge. We come back from the edges and bring with us an experience, a narrative that we pass along to others from the fringes and we begin to reconcile whatever it was that drove us to the edges in the first place.

Part of the conversation at Quaker 2.0 should be why we find ourselves converging. Why do you see yourself coming to a point where you’re looking for more than a faith that fits in some 300-year-old box? Why is Evangelical Christendom not enough? What is your story?

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Type your comment heChristopher and crowd, dear fFriends in the light:
The whole question of finding identity in old forms in new times… well, it is an old social trend. I am becoming convinced that we are, most of the people of the world, drawn to tribal identity, and those tribes for eons, changed, generally due to a traumatic influx of others, or gradual immigration. Now, we are arrived at a time when our “tribes” are caught in a swirl of change.
So, we are forced to look at who the “we” in our tribe is. Thee, Christopher, hears my voice as a life long Hicksite, and because it is a voice slightly different than the “we” that thee seeks for comfort in the new “us” of Quakerism assumes right off that I come from a different religious background, not Quaker at all, in thy April 20? posting. I do live in a city where there are new multi cultural challenges every day. The divisions in our faith, are completely predicable from the point we leave are nearly monocultural roots in the west of England and spread out over the world. It is a funny thing about people, most humans crave the comfort of a monocultural existence and yet, no place on the planet is truly remote enough to be truly monocultural, so many feel… something is not right.
Fox questioned the complexities within himself, even. He asked why does he still have sinful thoughts…? All these complications are not - something not right. Again and again as we enter times of real and difficult challenges, there is a rise of a new evangelism, some scholars point to this as the third great evangelist period in the US, and American Quakerism is responding, some by saying… it’s OK… relax, worry that thee is right with God, and thy life will speak… others leave our faith, seek to isolate our faith in hard and fast fundamentals… but, really, really, I think all is OK. This is how the world is meant to be, a balance between seeking the comfort of orthodoxy, and the reality that orthodoxy is impossible in human beings… even in a single mind like Fox’s, there is the growth which is the gift of turmoil.
Thine in the light
lor
PS… I lost track of this blog, so I just responded to thy question in the earlier post. My apologies… there are so many wonderful blogs these days, yours (pl.) among them.re.

I feel called deeply into encouraging this current movement in Friends. I am not so sure that it is something on the “fringes” necessarily. I find it very much in practice with *most* of my experiences as a programmed Friend in Washington (State).
If I read on, will I find out what Quaker 2.0 is? I’m intrigued!
I am also interested in Inter-visitation as a way to encourage others to listen and find commonalities and celebrate differences.. or at least acknowledge them!

Lorcan - I think you’re right that the favorite pass-time of Quakers worldwide is trying to get more Original Quaker than the other group. What I find hilarious about this tendency is that it’s become a fetishism for history that borders on idolatry. In the same way that you see the cracks in the theology of the Bible and have come to what appears to be an honest skepticism, I look at the early Quaker founders and take their theological prowse with a grain of salt.

What I find more interesting is WHY they came into being and what they were protesting in their own time. What was going on that Barclay would spend years of his life in jail to protest it? Are the same things going on today? Are we engaging our culture and society with the same passion and fervor? Do we have the ears of the Oliver Cromwells of our day?

Delonna - When I think of the fringes, I think of the groups of Quakers who have lost a part of the healthy mix that allows Quakers to be salt in the world. In particular I think of my own “tribe” in EFI, where you could easily live your life in a yearly meeting and never know you were a Quaker. What I find amazing is that Quakers from other tradition feel like there’s something missing in their group’s expression of faith, and that’s why I asked the question - why is it that we’ve individually launched on this journey to find something more authentic and come upon each other here?

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I don’t know that I’m a Quaker for sure. I don’t know what the criteria are. I did a theology survey a while back and it told me my beliefs most closely resembled an “Orthodox Quaker”. So I hope it’s cool to comment.

What motivates me - the driving force - is the desire to experience God in a real way. I was tired of the consumerism and greediness that permeates much of western evangelicalism. As a children’s minister, I was tired of working hard to grow a “church” - a 501(c)(3) organization called Gateway Church. There was that unspoken belief that if people didn’t go to our organization, they somehow weren’t all there.

The other thing is age. I’m not 20 anymore. I’m not 40 yet either, but I’m running out of time. I have no use for playing church - for striving for emotional experiences in lieu of real worship. I don’t want to throw gospel tracts at people anymore - I want to talk with them and be friends with them. I want to make sure they have stuff to eat and clothes to wear and know that I love them - and God does too.

The ultimate in convergence is when you can return to that place you came from and reconnect with those who helped you grow. I’ve seen some of that as well.

Dear Friend:
I appreciate they reply, and it is good light.
I think that what they went to jail for, and what fFriends of ours have recently died for, and what many of us have walked a thousand hard miles for… is truth and the unity that is promised in God. In Fox’s day, that meant challenging those tyrannies of their day. Today, Christian Fundamentalism is a tyranny as great as any king in Foxes day. It is a force that makes young men feel right with God as they kill tens of thousands of others, bomb women’s clinics, oppress Homosexual sisters and brothers… this is what Friends like Mary Dyer faced the hang man for, … for love and truth, not idols and the beliefs of a traditional past. They were the revolutionary modern thinkers of their day, not neo-conservatives. Sure I may be wrong. But… then again, I remain in process. I have not always found this to be the case with some Friends who style themselves as firebrands of the new convergent Friends.

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